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by alfa1
Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:40 am
Forum: Leagues United Discussion
Topic: Making Even Teams
Replies: 11
Views: 3678

Re: Making Even Teams

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by alfa1
Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:04 pm
Forum: Leagues United Discussion
Topic: Making Even Teams
Replies: 11
Views: 3678

Re: Making Even Teams

... Format topic , related to these comments (to disable the highlighted text, open search result links in new tabs and delete "&hilit(...)" until the next "#" symbol, not including it, from their address bar).) About 1vs1 League's state (by PM): If you are asking the state of 1vs1 league....it suffers from the same affliction of bzflag in general....loss of players in general without sufficient replacement numbers. It still sees activity. allejo servers for hix/dupi were down temporarily and now back up. Still the ebb & flow of activity is present on a day to day basis.....same as elsewhere on bzNew ...
by alfa1
Sun Apr 23, 2017 7:55 pm
Forum: Leagues United Discussion
Topic: Leagues United New Format - Individual Rankings
Replies: 112
Views: 31503

Re: Leagues United New Format - Individual Rankings

... system won't be what you're looking for. llrr, did you take in count my points, my thoughts? You didn't answer me anything. Maybe, a *possible* solution to my points (I am not sure still about the new system) would be having 2 *separated* and *paralel* ranking systems; *never mixing them*: (A) Teams vs teams ranking (the nowadays one). (B) Individuals vs individuals ranking (a new one; let's say, again, "official (nowadays) FMs"). (Then, (real) FMs would dissapear or people would be able to decide between '/offi' and '/fm' still? (retorical question).) And never giving/decreasing ELO points twice in the same match (in the case of team vs team, adjusting ELO points *only* to teams; not also to individuals). Apart of this, I was thinking, too: "If we want an individual ELO based on capturing skills, we already have it: the team's ELO where a player is part of gives them their individual ELO already, their identity. Player A is as good as their team is; player A has their team's ELO, individually, let's say (giving them some time to adapt each other, if the player is new, of course; and, also, the more a player plays with their team, the more similar they will be to each other!)". Then, do we really need this new system? Or it would be more problematic, instead? (retorical question). Remember, people, that a league is based on teams. Any thing which could possibly go against teams should be either studied very well or avoided, because it could possibly go against the league itself. I remind and warn that one of the original ideas about this new system was "a radical overhaul of the league": "we dissolve ALL teams, and players are ranked individually (like the elo system in 1v1)" (llrr). Why not making, maybe, a totally new tournament group (which won't be a league) with this new system, instead? (retorical question). I always give my humble opinion with the best intention: the league's well-being. * Reference: "The Elo rating system is a method for calculating the relative skill levels of players in competitor-versus-competitor games such as chess" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo; bold word made by menew ...
by alfa1
Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:05 am
Forum: Leagues United Discussion
Topic: Leagues United New Format - Individual Rankings
Replies: 112
Views: 31503

Re: Leagues United New Format - Individual Rankings

... skills: kills skills (1vs1 ELO) + tactics skills (hard to meassure) = capturing skills (proposed llrr's ELO) 70/80% + 30/20% = 100% Team's skills: sum of individual capturing skills (sum of proposed llrr's individual ELOes) / amount of players = capturing skills (team's ELO) (1) Are you saying, llrr, that team's ELO would be then the average of your proposed individual ELOes? Then, in the future, nowadays teams' ELOes would be deleted? Or both of them would be kept separated and at that time it would be decided (in example, if both values are similar)? (2) Also, your proposed ELOes are not based on 1vs1 ones. It could be fixed with activity, though, on both leagues. (3) If team vs individual matches would be adding points to one team and not decreasing points to another team, would this not affect teams' ELOes formule/general results (which are relative to each and every team)? They are different categories of teams. If this is the case (I am almost sure), this could be fixed just treating everybody as individuals. This could be affecting everything, tho. (The only advantage for the team would be getting experience together.) In the other case, it would be unfair (for individuals vs individuals), then, if when playing team vs team you would be giving points to individuals too. Giving ELO points twice would not be fair. At then end, we would have official fms as a new category of matches. Does not make very much sense for me; it would be against teams, I think: why would I play with my team if I can play individually and get a prize only for me?. If you need individual ELOes, go play 1vs1 :). If this is not the case: (4). (4) Would allowing individuals' to offi not make teams' offies to dissapear or to reduce even more? Since the league is based on teams and you would be breaking teams, let's say. In example, nowadays there are lots of fms; in the future, there would not be lots of individual offies? I think people would or should always prefer to play in teams because they would be adding points to both their teams and to themselves. (5) If player M plays 100 matches individually; and makes your proposed ELO on 2100; when he plays with his only teammate N, with your proposed ELO on 1200, making their team's ELO be 1650; would it represent a real value if they never played together? No, it would not. (It would be answered by (4) if it was valid, which I doubt.) Well, IMHO, this new system doesn't make very much sense for mIndividual ...
by alfa1
Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:14 am
Forum: Leagues United Discussion
Topic: Leagues United New Format - Individual Rankings
Replies: 112
Views: 31503

Re: Leagues United New Format - Individual Rankings

Just to be fair and just in case, the original idea was blinky/d*mns3xy's (AFAIK) and his intention was to make even teams for matches. See the edition on the first note: Making Even Teams ...