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Hey guys...i was think... maybe we should make 4v4's official...
i was also thinking maybe we should make 1v1's official also...
not too sure on the 1v1's but i really think 4v4's should be made official... How do we get the ball rolling on this?

well, 4vs4 may be a bit hard to organize since sometimes its hard to get that many players on one team online at once.(notice that most matches are 2vs2, we have trouble getting a 3vs3 together) However, im not against it if we can get that many people on a team online...

heh, i just noticed i got promoted to SW special Forces
Cool

I agree with ski. 4v4 sounds nice, but arent gonna be used much - to few active players/teams (you of all, should know this). I dont like the idea of 1vs1 battles, mainly because the league and ctf is about teamplay. I surely dont have a big enough ego to act like a one-man-team And in my experience 1vs1 CTF is pretty boring. When a capture is done, its either; because you are way better than you opponent or; you got a lucky break. I dont like both of them.

The rating would also lose meaning. How can you compare individual matches with teamplay? Is a team a good team, because they have a single good player? Personally I dont think so.

- dennis

i also agree w/ you guys, but on that note...maybe 1v1's will boost activity....there should be rules for it though....i think if it does happen you you can not just create a team for 1v1 you still have to have 2players on the team, i just thought about this cause it might boost team activity, but i do agree with you.... 1v1's are boring, but hey some players out there like em.
but yes, i do want to go ahead with 4v4's, who approves this?

also i would like to see how the votes turn out about this, then i think we should go from there, it is still early on and only 5 have voted

big barrel wrote: but yes, i do want to go ahead with 4v4's, who approves this?

I.S.T. Admins

lol, not IST i am cofounder of IST
i am talking about reagular League

but on that note...lets go ahead and just aprove the 4v4 for the IST....but for league...who aproves this?

ski wrote:heh, i just noticed i got promoted to SW special Forces :)
Cool :)

yay ski :)

jus dunt get too close to mee with that SW now LoL

well if u are asking about the IST , i think 4v4 is fine with mee . its up to the 2 teams to agree on it .
4v4 is what wee r all used to playing informally anyways on ducati 5156...
my only suggestion is they keep trying to generate a wide open ducati map to play on so it will seem less crowded...
less buildings=more space

ive been waiting on the new v1.10 with a slightly larger ducati map...
but until then if u can get everyone together an organize a 4v4 i say go 4 it :)
5v5 however , is pending on the new larger map only .

ducati port 59999 only allows 3v3 tho :/
maybe it will work on Quols' server?

chick, are you assuming that the spawn locations will be different.....???........or that you will have more area to hide the flag...???/

on bzflag.weisenborn.com port 7000 allows 8 players per team i think.

well, weisenborn.com (the server) orange and huh have made it clear to me that they don't want us playing on that server...they say it is not a public server...so you you can do 8 there but we can't play there w/o oranges permission

Koba wrote:chick, are you assuming that the spawn locations will be different.....???........or that you will have more area to hide the flag...???/

IIRC , one of the main reasons the CTF league didnt condone 4v4 matches is because someone felt that it was too many players to have on the field at once during a match , and that the gameplay would be too chaotic .
personally , i believe that this would only occur when there are more than 8 players on the current sized ducati map . 5v5 or more players would definately require a larger map .
its not really about the spawn locations or flag hiding spots... its more about the overall playability . some people think its too crowded . that is why i think the current ducati port 59999 is limited to 3v3 only .
but to mee , a 4v4 match would not be much different from the usual informal play thats on ducati 5156 . and i kinda like the extra intense action that u find in a 4v4 scenario . u hafta stay very alert , an it constantly keeps u on ur toes , so to say ;)

its up to the teams involved whether they agreed to a 4v4 match . and its up to them to decide beforehand which random CTF map is most suitable for it . i suggested an open field map would probably work out better .

i would allow 4v4 matches in the IST , as i have stated in the IST rules . i am no longer reviewing the case... as far as im concerned they are accepted and official .

I think only 4 vs 4 should be allowed because, as mentioned before, 1 vs 1 just isn't a good way to play CTF.

I say go for the 4 vs 4 too

but not the 1 vs 1...

4v4 is what wee r all used to playing . its nothing new .
1v1 to mee doesn't define a team effort . its putting too much responsibility onto 1 teammate. with or without the approval of the other teammates . (maybee in the post-season in-between the tournaments , all the team captains could have a 1v1 series jus for fun ;)

in addition , 1v1 matches may not have enough players or witnesses to verify a match or the score or if a dispute arises... even if there were referee(s) around , it would b better to have at least 2 or more players from a team to tell their firsthand account in case something does happen .

hehe, that sounds like fun .... all the team captains having a 1v1

That would be interesting

ok guys....lets go ahead and aprove 4v4's
i think we are all agreeing on this....not that many will ever be played...lol
but lets go ahead and just aprove it.

try and get patlabor to post a sticky saying 4v4's are now aproved for IST matches

ill make any changes to the rules page...

ok cool sounds good

i posted the change on the IST thread...

good work ......thx ski!

no prob
i aim to please

big barrel wrote:well, weisenborn.com (the server) orange and huh have made it clear to me that they don't want us playing on that server...they say it is not a public server...so you you can do 8 there but we can't play there w/o oranges permission

Well, it's not a public server. It's a private server primarily intended for ProXS. I have no problem with other responsible people using it (including you, BB) but for right now the only admins are ProXS. So you don't need my permission, you just need to ask a ProXS to join you, at least for the start. All ProXS have the password.