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Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 6:12 pm
by zaphod
Option 2
and use a re-match for more time on the field ...




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Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:02 pm
by mrapple
Personally, I think matches should either be 15 or 30 minutes. Easy numbers to remember and can either make for short and simple matches or a little more intense for those with more time.

Also, if I may ask, why 20? Why not 15? (Divide 30 by 2 makes some sense I guess and just makes the most sense)

If I had to vote in the poll though, I would pick option 3. If there was an option 4 that said "15 and 30 minute matches" I'd pick 4 ;)

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:15 pm
by Cobra_Fast
Option 3. Most freedom.

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:17 pm
by Ripper
Option 3 for me too, I guess.

Though, should just be the player's discretion of choice at the specific time. In a span of 20-30 minutes, many things can change the outcome of the game. (E.G. if the player has to leave during a game at a random moment of time, preferably tries to stop at 20 mark). I know this may sound like post pone, but there should also be legal gameovers at 20 minute mark in 30 minute games if this does happen. And if it already is O.K. for a gameover at 20 in a 30 min. game, sorry for this, just must be unknowledgeable here. :|

Also, not 15 imo, 15 is way too short for GU.

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 10:31 pm
by legend_13
option 1. 20 minute matches don't work for gu. and if you look at it. it is mostly the duc people that want the 20 minute matches.. but option 3 wouldnt be that bad. because then the teams about to match can just decide what they want to do. might as well make everyone happy. Definitely not 2nd option though.

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:45 am
by Grans Remedy
3: because choice is always good.

But why 20 minutes? I'd prefer 15.
If needs be, have two scoreboards, one for "full length" matches and another for "shorts".

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:30 pm
by JUR
When you choose option 3 it will become unequal. Teams & players who are better in shorter matches of 20 minutes will prefer 20 minutes. teams and players who dont become tired of a 30 minute match will lose their advantage. It will probably bring a lot of different match results. A lot of things can happen in 10 minutes, that why I would make it one length.

i vote for option 2

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:44 pm
by orbit
Option 1

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:15 pm
by Red Baron2
Quite frankly I vote 1. Mainly because of the ups and downs that you have in gu matches and for flag passing. A bad start or a flag pass needs time to be countered or made up for in gu.

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 8:21 pm
by Tane
I vote for option 3

actually option 4, that means teams can choose the length they want and if the both teams want to play a 15, 20, 30, 45 or a 60 min match, they should be allowed to play a such a match.

And i suggest another option:
both 30-min matches and 20-min matches are allowed, if it's a tie after 20 minutes, then the teams can agree on 10 minutes extra-time.

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:36 pm
by Foo
Option 1 for me! 30 minutes pass way to fast already!

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:58 am
by bartleby
option : 3
Just a guess but I'll bet that few matches have the lead change in the last 10 minutes. I'd like to see some stats on that though.

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 1:13 am
by An SQUERRILz
izkull wrote:option 3.. who votes no has 1 life =x
bartleby wrote:option : 3
Just a guess but I'll bet that few matches have the lead change in the last 10 minutes. I'd like to see some stats on that though.
99.6% of the time bart still loses in the last 10 minutes.

I choose Option 3 :tired:
Pros: Procrastinating for an extra 10 minutes sometimes just isn't good enough.
Cons: Some people might argue about it.

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:46 pm
by quantum dot
hello all,

I am kind of retired from league play due partially to work commitments and other issues, but I hope you would allow me to express my opinion from the perspective of someone who played the match #1 of this league in January 2005 :)

With the flag passing and potential defensive/camping strategies I have always been of the opinion that #1 is the only possible option or people would soon start getting fed up of professional flag passers/campers. I do not think league survival is a matter of players having choices, but having a game that can be fun.

With all my respect to those who have a different opinion, it seems to me that they do not consider the consequences in game play of having shorter matches. The GU map is not a ducati map, it is not random (so automated strategies DO work), it allows flag passing, and it allows camping on top. These features make GU different from ducati. Even in ducati the short match options have had a big effect: no more 30m matches are played and many games end up with very short scores since the field is large and the time (15m) is short to recover from an early capture. These effects would be dramatically increased in GU in my opinion.

Anyway, if a vast majority wants 20min games, let it be. Whatever the league becomes, live or dead, it will be product of what the principal actors wanted it to be. But let me point out that the chant "the league activity is low, we should do something" seems incorrect at the light of the statistics. I have counted 52 matches in the last four days and those numbers sound pretty healthy for a league that has been the way it is since January 2005.

qdot

PS: To enrich the map I would propose to have a test server for FM with the "passing the flag" plugin which I find the most interesting addition to bzflag fame play in quite a long time.

Edit: I forgot to mention that activity is much concentrated in a few teams that are really active. In that sense one might agree with the point that activity is worrying these days, not in number of matches played but in the narrow spread of teams (players) involved in that activity.

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:51 pm
by Zelgadis
#1 many explained why..

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:01 pm
by lm
Opinion 1.
Ripper wrote: (E.G. if the player has to leave during a game at a random moment of time, preferably tries to stop at 20 mark). I know this may sound like post pone, but there should also be legal gameovers at 20 minute mark in 30 minute games if this does happen. And if it already is O.K. for a gameover at 20 in a 30 min
I see matches beeing ended with a close result at 20 mins mark yet,
because one of the winning player 'has' to go.

lm

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:58 pm
by kierra
I would like to go on record for changing my vote from #3 to #1.

qd and rb2 make some compelling arguments for 30min which convinced me.

Initially, option #3 was appealing to me for several reasons: #1 the time factor, 20 mins being shorter and easier to fit in and secondly, 20min is long enough to endure getting trounced on....actually 10 min is long enough sometimes ;)... but those are purely personal reasons and don't really take into account what gu league game dynamics engenders.

Option #1 !!!

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:36 pm
by ducatiwannabe
Current tally:

Option 1.... 13 votes.
Option 2.....3 votes.
Option 3.....20 votes.

These are my tallies thus far. I'm not sure how to tally the people who say option 4 alone... they need to revote, because 4 is not an option. :P

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 7:30 pm
by Foo
I have already voted, so don't recount this vote :) But i wanted to add to my vote my following thoughts:

I think ducati has become very arbitrary since the 15/20/30 matches were introduced. For me it has become the "why not" league. My personal activity has decreased in ducati since then.
The reason: The game play has changed considerable, especially in 15 minute matches. It has changed to trying to get the first cap and then trying to keep the 1 cap advantage. Who gets first cap wins most of the games. The game has become a lot more defensive since then, since nobody wants to be that first cap behind.
However I do understand the initial reasons behind the decisions. The activity was low, or you could say the league was dead. But, the shorter match time then was also mainly an answer to the then (ducati map only) open league which had different match lengths. However, I think GU league is in an entire different situation as pointed out by some of the above posters.

The main argument that made most 30 minutes ducati aficionado's accept was: it's an option. You don't have to play 15 or 20 if you don't want to. But since then it has become impossible to get 30 minute matches going. It is very likely that when it is introduced as an option in the GU league, the same thing will happen. The league will become arbitrary.

Foo

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:15 pm
by Fade
Option 1 sounds good.

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:48 pm
by dexter
Option 1

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:53 pm
by khazhyk
I'm changing my vote from option 3 to option 1. I feel the benefits of keeping only 30 minute matches outweighs any potential benefits from 20 minute matches.

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 2:59 am
by An SQUERRILz
I'm changing from option 2 to option 1.

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:02 pm
by krisfeidt
Option 1.
I also think the game will get more defensive and as a result of that, people won't risk so much anymore.
The hix map is still good for unexpected actions and in my opinion those surprises keep it interesting ;).
So, less of them, less fun.

Re: GU League Player Poll - 20 min matches

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:48 pm
by NTH
just for the record, I vote 1