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GU Trainer Map

Post by Snake12534 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:53 am

The ROBF team had been planning to make a gu map based on training. Currently 2/3 of us had agreed to make this map.

However we need more ideas from YOU GU players. So please post your ideas (if we all agree first)

I will keep this topic updated on updates and accomplishments on the map :-)

Please help! Thank you.
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Post by mr64bit » Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:21 pm

It's called Hix.
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Post by Snake12534 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:30 pm

What is the difference between hix and gu? :)
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Post by blast » Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:02 pm

The GU league uses the map called HiX. So, GU is a league, HiX is a map...
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Post by Snake12534 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 8:04 pm

blast wrote:The GU league uses the map called HiX. So, GU is a league, HiX is a map...
This will be a gu training map since we are not using a HiX map. We are making stages related to gu :-)
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Post by Snake12534 » Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:51 pm

UPDATE - All of ROBF staff has agreed to work on this project. :-)
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Post by blast » Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:53 am

Will the entire board of directors be working on it?
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Post by Snake12534 » Sat Jan 05, 2013 5:23 am

Blast, we do not use titles anymore. We just call ourselves ROBF :) and UPDATE - we had added a new member, wxyzWXYZ, to help us on the GU Trainer Map! Update - We use the software, BZedit.
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Post by FiringSquad » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:04 am

In case it is of any help to you. I created a map for practising fighting in the corners and attacking/protecting the flag there.
I don't believe it's hosted anywhere at the moment, but you are welcome to use/edit it.
I will not assert any rights whatsoever, but given that it was based on the HIX map, it might be considered a derivative work and so may still come under the LGPL.
Probably better to be safe and just consider it so protected.
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Post by Snake12534 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:43 pm

FiringSquad wrote:In case it is of any help to you. I created a map for practising fighting in the corners and attacking/protecting the flag there.
I don't believe it's hosted anywhere at the moment, but you are welcome to use/edit it.
I will not assert any rights, so feel free to use it as you wish.
Thaank you very much for the help. My team will discuss to use it or not :)
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Post by JeffM » Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:31 am

If its based on HIX you cant change the license so it remains lgpl

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Post by FiringSquad » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:18 am

JeffM wrote:If its based on HIX you cant change the license so it remains lgpl
I have edited my post above to clarify your licensing concerns.

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Post by JeffM » Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:39 pm

There is no "may" or "might" about it, the license clearly states that it must remain LGPL ;)

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Post by Snake12534 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:01 pm

JeffM wrote:There is no "may" or "might" about it, the license clearly states that it must remain LGPL ;)
Does that mean we can't use his map? :?
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Post by mr64bit » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:10 pm

Read the LGPL license! http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lgpl+license
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Post by JeffM » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:26 pm

1) You can totally use the map, it just has to be noted that it is LGPL.
2) The GPL is not the same as the LGPL. They share many terms but not all of them, so pointing people to the GPL is incorrect.

The main reason to get it right is the fact that HIX is shipped as part of bzflag, and the bzflag license is the only thing protecting the project and keeping it free and open.

Firing Squad modded the map, and that's perfectly fine under the terms of the LGPL and we greatly encourage it. The problem is that his wording indicated that no rights were reserved for the derived map. He was just being nice and super open and that's very understandable. If this had been 100% his original work then we'd say that the map was licensed under the public domain and be done.

But he did not start from scratch, he modified a part of bzflag. The LGPL states that any derived works must also be licensed under the LGPL. The terms of the LGPL state that all works licensed under it must state that they are under the LGPL or include the license. AKA they can't say "do whatever you want" because there are limits on the use under the LGPL, you can't change the license or close the source code.

If we had let his original wording stand, that would mean that we let someone change the terms of the license agreement for a part of bzflag. If someone did this for one part, then there would be nothing to prevent someone else from doing this to other parts, like the code itself. Then someone could take bzflag, change a few lines and sell it as a closed source product, since the public domain "do what you want" license doesn't prevent that type of use at all.

I know it's all academic and that nobody is trying to steal anything from anyone else, but in order to keep bzflag open we must protect every aspect of it and ensure that it remains properly licensed. This is why we are so strict on licensing issues.

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Post by mr64bit » Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:02 pm

Ah, apologies, my mistake.
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Post by Snake12534 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:36 am

To my understanding, you are saying we can use this map, but must keep the same LGPL liscense. R.O. Is glad to keep the original liscense, but does this effect the copyright of the map?
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Post by JeffM » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:49 am

1) You can't make statements for author of the changes. "RO" is not a legal entity.
2) Copyright and the license go together, only the copyright holder can grant licenses for a work, so the original work (HIX) is copyright Tim Riker and licensed under LGPL, the changes made are copyright by the people that made them, but must also be released under the LGPL.

So since the derived work is licensed under the LGPL, it can be used under the terms of the LGPL (it can be used and modified by anyone)

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Post by Snake12534 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 10:48 pm

Ok got it, thank you JeffM. My team and I will look into this project one again. We hope all of you will be looking foward to our team, R.O. Thank you.
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Post by Agent West » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:32 am

It it would be of any help, feel free to use parts (or all) of my trainer project (http://forums.bzflag.org/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=17971) or any of my other maps/prefabs/textures.
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Post by Snake12534 » Sun Apr 14, 2013 10:46 pm

R.0. (Reptiles Organization) it's the last name change.

R.0. has been busy lately, we stopped our projects. I will try my best to continue growing the foundation back. Please, if you are good with map making, we need more active map makers to help R0.
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Re: GU Trainer Map

Post by Agent West » Tue Apr 16, 2013 3:34 am

What needs to be done? Make some sketches and i can turn them into maps. Or at least try to.
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Post by Snake12534 » Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:14 am

Agent West wrote:What needs to be done? Make some sketches and i can turn them into maps. Or at least try to.
Well, all our map makers turned into official'ers in Reptiles. (khonkhortisan, wxyzWXYZ, alezakos) Unclelightning is busy during school year. And I am incredibly clueless in map making. So pretty much everything has to be done. We all have a picture of what it should look like.

How do I send you these sketches?
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