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Hacking Accusations

Post by ACEofSpace » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:05 am

Hello fellow tankers. I come with a question, wondering if anyone else has shared the same experience.

There have been a handful of times that I've been accused of hacking or cheating in some way throughout my BZ experience. All of these have been on maps that I'm well versed in, like Hide n Seek Hills, etc. Every time it's a different player that I'm not familiar with so I don't know if it's just happenstance or one guy who follows me around using different usernames.

Obviously there's nothing I can do about it while in the game except silence the player, but everyone else on the server will still see their chatter and that is discomforting. The most recent time was on server 203.96.60.153 (no name), when a guy joined observer after I shot him and accused me of having some kind of flag coloring client where I could find stealth. In reality, I was just going through the teleport to the upper circle and finding it because that's where the flag spawns.

Easily silenced, but it still sucks when other players are sitting there wondering if it's true that your cheating and your credibility is being diminished.

I'm just wondering if anyone else has had the same problem and how you dealt with it.
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Re: Hacking Accusations

Post by Bambino » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:38 am

I've been accused countless times. The most recent was last Tuesday night on bzf.bzflag.net port 5154 (FFA hix). I delt with it by not swearing or dropping to his level. I kept telling the playing I don't cheat. He kept on telling me that my skinny tank cheat wasn't working...because I wasn't cheating lol. He ended up getting annoyed that I kept telling him I'm not cheating. I ended up leaving and did my homework :)
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Re: Hacking Accusations

Post by JUR » Fri Feb 25, 2011 4:11 pm

Most of the players that accuse others of cheating are noobs, they accuse other people of cheating pretty soon because they cant assess whether or not a player is lagging or cheating. Most of them dont even know what cheating is, they get killed and yell 'cheater!'.I deal with it by avoiding servers with a lot of new players or just leave when there are in my opinion not enough experienced players online. :)
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Re: Hacking Accusations

Post by ducktape » Fri Feb 25, 2011 5:37 pm

Like JUR said most of them just dont respond well to getting owned. so take it as a compliment.
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Re: Hacking Accusations

Post by Avatar » Fri Feb 25, 2011 7:59 pm

Read my sig. That is all.
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Never underestimate the ability of a newb to expect instant success and cry "cheat!" when they don't get it. Don't hate the newb, just give them plenty of learning opportunities. ;)

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Re: Hacking Accusations

Post by yosef » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:12 am

Sounds familiar. Someone accused me of using the colored flag cheat on the trench warfare map just a few days ago, AND claimed to be an admin on several servers to boot.
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Re: Hacking Accusations

Post by adameros » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:18 pm

I, while having no admin abilities, was accused of cheating and giving myself flags. Told the guy he's an idiot, then killed him a few more times.

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Re: Hacking Accusations

Post by mahem1 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:38 pm

I always tell them I use a well know cheat called 'skill' .....
Lag makes me miss all of the good stuff.
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Re: Hacking Accusations

Post by blast » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:06 am

mahem1 wrote:I always tell them I use a well know cheat called 'skill' .
Dang, where do you download that one? I'm in desperate need...
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Post by allejo » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:35 am

Blast, you just have the facetious comment generator cheat. I think that's all you need. ;)
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Re: Hacking Accusations

Post by Bambino » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:51 am

I want the source code for that...
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Re: Hacking Accusations

Post by Avatar » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:50 am

You missed out, Bambino - we were passing it around freely on Ziggurat just a few minutes ago. :P
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Never underestimate the ability of a newb to expect instant success and cry "cheat!" when they don't get it. Don't hate the newb, just give them plenty of learning opportunities. ;)

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Re: Hacking Accusations

Post by straightshooter » Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:51 am

Yeah, had the same experience like JUR with a player under an another name in the mad city quickshot map. :) There's rico and the _shotsKeepVerticalVelocity set on. I shot a few times on a wall while I were jumping and killed a guy who was much higher than me :) ...he just said: 'No way!' and something about cheating and he signed off. THIS WAS REALLY FUN :D

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Re: Hacking Accusations

Post by mahem1 » Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:00 pm

blast wrote: Dang, where do you download that one? I'm in desperate need...
Like a year ago Erik Spaltaxt was giving out jump/dodge lessons at 100$ per hour on the BZF facebook page.
Now you know why they cost so much :wink:
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Re: Hacking Accusations

Post by [honc] » Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:25 pm

For sure i am THE noob .. but sometimes ..

while i was putting bullets into a tank and this one got
no harm at all i wonder .. [noPhantom] after about 30 bullets
it [the tank] explode i liked that but it happens again [same tank]

.. how is that possible .. ? editing a file for tank hight and width?
anyway most of the time the SkillCheat kills me ..

But i like to say i hope that all cheatig persons will go and play some other stuff
.. and where can i get the SkillCheat .. i will give some items for it .. like
the MostOfAllDeadCheat .. or the StupidJumpCheat ..

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Re: Hacking Accusations

Post by dereliction of duty » Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:15 pm

[honc] wrote:after about 30 bullets it [the tank] explode i liked that but it happens again [same tank]
check lagstats when something like that happens. If you notice high lag with a particular tank, you may need to adjust when you fire at them.

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Re: Hacking Accusations

Post by PhaseShifter » Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:50 pm

Actually the ones that have been bothering me lately are:
  • shots other than SB/SW that pass through obstacles. There's no telling how many times I've been hit by GM that passed right through the central building on the ziggurat map.
  • Being shot through walls with SB...when I have ST, and am jumping around like a madman. One or twice might be dumb luck, but three times (or several near misses that look like they're targeting me) look suspiciously like a rendering hack to make walls transparent.
  • The most common one (by far) lately, when shots literally come out of nowhere, i.e. the tank that shot me was invisible on radar and the main screen simultaneously.

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Post by SkillDude » Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:22 am

PhaseShifter, this is more about the fact that you get accused of hacking for playing exceptionally well that they think it is impossible for you to possibly survive that bullet, or jump in a certain way, etc. rather than talking about actual cheating.

I actually have recently captured a gameplay session of this kind of accusation. (Finally, been trying for awhile) It was pretty funny because I thought we were getting along real well, haha.
I joined this map and just killed some of the others on the ground. The guy just sits on the highest building with Shockwave. If you listen to my commentary too, eventually I start talking about how he's standing there and waiting and that I would have to intercept him eventually. After I get him on the ground again we exchange some blows and he finally thinks there was no way I could have survived, etc. etc. (Except in much more grotesque wording)

Here is the gameplay video: http://www.twitch.tv/sigonasr2/b/309010907
Start at 10:30 if you want to start seeing the hunt for killing him, until he is killed and accuses me. I always get a chuckle from it.

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