F12 abuse, revisited

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F12 abuse, revisited

Post by mike_o » Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:18 pm

Could we have an end to this crazyness, please? I was just playing with alcatraz (green team) against tsunami (red team), when tsunami decided to leave. I then signed off (normal way, as usual) to enter the vacant, red team, but upon sign-on, I had been banned for "F12 abuse".

Cmon, what IS going on???

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Re: F12 abuse, revisited

Post by kierra » Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:11 pm

Fixed it for you, mike_o
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Re: F12 abuse, revisited

Post by Zehra » Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:13 pm

A few minor adjustments to the algorithm could improve the plug-in.

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Re: F12 abuse, revisited

Post by The Noah » Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:18 pm

Personally I think the plugin shouldn't exist. Every single time I exit via F12, and I get it's trying to stop abuse but I don't think that's not they way to do it. I'm not sure what is, and it would be great if it was stopped, but not by banning people for quitting with way too many false positives.
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Re: F12 abuse, revisited

Post by kierra » Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:50 pm

tbh, I don't see it happening often. When it does, most players known to me pm me about it and it's taken care of.
It does serve somewhat a purpose....as it came about because of f12 abuse.
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Re: F12 abuse, revisited

Post by Zehra » Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:08 am

It's a matter of data. Too little is being used for making well "informed" decisions.
The algorithm could use some minor tweaking as well.

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Re: F12 abuse, revisited

Post by mike_o » Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:03 pm

Banned again. This time playing under the unregistered name of "tranga" on the Planet-MoFo.com:4202 / Apocalyse twenty/twenty! server. I decided to quit when I was on top and most of my team had left. Used the normal "esc-quit-enter" procedure and still got banned. There was no capping going on and I was not in front of a geno.

I do get the feeling that either one of the admins is angry with me or some of the other players have a back door to the ban office. It's simply bizarre. Could someone look into this?

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Re: F12 abuse, revisited

Post by blast » Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:13 pm

It's just a plugin that mofo runs making ill informed decisions on limited data.
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Re: F12 abuse, revisited

Post by kierra » Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:02 pm

Per Optic Delusion, the best time to f12 to avoid being whammo'd is to die first then f12
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the F12 plugin has never been perfect, but it has performed it's intended purpose. Few times do players F12 to keep from being geno'd. At least much fewer than it was in the past. The price we pay is the occasional false positive. It banned me once.
If you intend to rejoin, wait until you're dead before you sign out, and you'll never have this problem.
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Re: F12 abuse, revisited

Post by Zehra » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:28 am

A whitelist for it could offer some benefit, but may not be worth the effort.
Or either waiting for "impossible" conditions to avoid triggering it's autoban measure.
But who knows, it might be possible for some bugs to be worked out in a later version, if it were to happen.

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Re: F12 abuse, revisited

Post by trpted » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:23 pm

Why does need to use f12 to quit in the first place?

Likewise why does one need to use F5 to take a screenshot?

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Re: F12 abuse, revisited

Post by blast » Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:58 pm

trpted wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:23 pm
Why does need to use f12 to quit in the first place?

Likewise why does one need to use F5 to take a screenshot?

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Why would someone use the the fast quit button to quit the game, or use the screenshot button to take a screenshot? Are you really asking that? I'm hoping that the tone is just being lost with the transition to text and you're not serious.

The plugin can't detect you using F12, only that you have left the game. It just as equally bans you for rejoining, using the "Leave Game" menu, or joining another server. It's a flawed, user hostile plugin.
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Re: F12 abuse, revisited

Post by trpted » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:42 pm

Hmm interesting.

Ok.

The plug-in should be fixed.

In the meantime while waiting for a fix I suggest either not using the plugin or telling users to make sure that they are dead before leaving the server if they intend to rejoin.

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Re: F12 abuse, revisited

Post by blast » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:49 pm

The plugin, which mofo wrote, is working as mofo designed it, but it's a flawed design. Don't expect a fix because there's not really much room to improve the flawed design.
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Re: F12 abuse, revisited

Post by trpted » Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:21 pm

So...

..should it be removed/killed off?
..server admins should stop using it. if they have not already?

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Re: F12 abuse, revisited

Post by blast » Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:41 pm

This is one server with the plugin. It's their choice. It has nothing to do with the BZFlag project.
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