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Scoreboard cheaters

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 5:07 am
by Spaceman Spiff
Has anyone besides me noticed the people that are messing with the scoreboard at

It sort of ticks me off because I set a new high score... and the next morning someone had done that. And then they did it THREE more times. Grrrr. So, for the record, I have the LEGAL high score. ;) Anyone want to challenge it? :angel:

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 1:36 pm
by bryjen
I pointed this out on #bzflag. Noodleman was in channel, but he must've been away or asleep :(
Looks like whoever those are had invalid characters in their callsigns. Newer version of the server block that. That would suggest they played on an older server that probably lacked the recent anti-cheat measures, like having the server count the score instead of just letting the client tell the server what your score is.

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 1:37 pm
by The Red Baron
Who in there right mind plays long enough to accumalate 30,000??!!!

that in and of itself is a hack.

I'll challenge you spiff. Wether I win or not....

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 3:05 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
I noticed that, bryjen. I also noticed that some of the characters are ALT+keypad commands (like the 1/4). I would've given them the benifit of the doubt, but that 30,000 point score just appeared there out of nowhere (while I was online, I think). The only really good thing about these cheaters is that their scores can't stick. But it is very annoying. When 1.9 is released, perhaps (since it breaks protocol), Noodleman can make stats only grab stats from 1.9 clients??? That would be really good.

It took me around five hours (with probabily an hour break) to get that score on a three shot, jumping, no-flag server. :) It wasn't really tough to do or anything... but it was funnnnnn. :)

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 3:30 pm
by [dmp]
Actualyl I had some consideration about this, when i created the ladder. At first i wanted to do like sbo does. Monitor all public servers. But then I realized that if i wanted to cheat the ladder, i could just configure my own (perhaps even modified) server join with bots and begin killing.

If you check the lowscore, its seems like alot of the players got "bot" as a part of their name.

This was one of my reasons to add servers manually :)

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 3:34 pm
by Guest
anyway i can remove my call sign from, ummmm, lowscore that is.............

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 5:07 pm
by SGI

a thought

Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 5:51 pm
by sn0w_m0nkey
i have an idea on how high scores could suddenly appear. should i post it here?


Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2003 7:43 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
I agree with you, [dmp]. But is it possible to make it only pull stats from 1.9 clients (after the protocol break)?? That would definitely fix a LOT of these issues. And yes, Iron Foot runs bots constantly... and sometimes he runs a map with only a small place to spawn and like ten shots.. so all you do is spray bullets and jump, and the robots spawn into your bullets and give you points.

Go ahead, m0nkey. :angel:

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 7:16 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
Now I have another gripe. Iron Foot has over 2000 points because he set up his server with like 10 bots and killed them over and over (check out the low scores and see all of the bot's he used). I wonder if Noodleman could set up the score list like [dmp] did the ladder.... on an exclusive level.

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 8:42 pm
by Legolas
Ya,he always has bots on. He isnt really that skilled in a Bzflag game.

Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2003 11:02 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
No, he isn't. He's almost always in the negatives. Using bots to get a high score is cheap/rude.

Not too point out the obvious

Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 4:13 am
by learner
One possibility is that he could care less about his score and he's actually testing out source code development with the bots. Maybe he's doing it just for kicks. Maybe not.

Regardless. The scores are really not worth quibbling over. There will always be ways around them and ways to bias the scores towards people who pay significant amounts of attention to them.

It's way too easy to get caught up in scores, creates an air of frustration and negativity for everyone. Cause enough and the scores just may go away completely some day, regardless of reasons or fault, just so people like me don't have to hear about it. Play on, have fun. Good times.


Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2003 5:23 am
by Spaceman Spiff
LoL. I'm not tense, learner.. if that's what you're implying. Sorry if I came accross that way. And no... the bots are just the -solo bots.... they simply sit there and shoot in one direction. If you're going to test bots, do it on a private server where you don't ruin the "high score list fun" for everyone else.

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2003 5:52 pm
by Ash
What Iron Foot does best is make crazy servers and maps... I don't much like the guy, but 100 shot can be fun when you are feeling lazy. :D

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 2:20 am
by baddmove
try the MOSH PIT room with the bots (by IronFoot)sometimes..LMAO...what a blast if you stay in the pit!!!!!

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 9:39 am
by Arwen
Seriously, if I played til I had 30,000 points, my brain would be fried! (And it would take me....24 hours....)

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 7:17 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
Well... if you played with a ton of geno or GM... you might get it done un 24 hours. Considering the fact that I didn't use any flags (and only three shots)... I'd say my 1,112 in five hours is pretty good. ;)

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 7:30 pm
by Legolas
Ya,That is impossible for me.

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 7:33 pm
by Arwen
totally impossible for me too, spiff about what you said earlier today about me whipping you with ffa.....ya right!!!

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 7:52 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
*cowers in a corner* Arwen is going to run over me with her tank! Ack! Helllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllpppppppppppppppppppppp!!!!!! :cry: Hehehe. :shooter:

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 7:53 pm
by Legolas
Hey,I'd like to challenge you a FFA game!

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 7:54 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
FFA... as in, two shot non-jumping? Or like 5 shots with jumping? I'd be more than happy to accept any challenge. :D

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 7:58 pm
by Legolas
Like on turkey. A match just to see how good I am.

Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 8:03 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
Hmm... well, whenever you're ready.. hop on Yahoo Messenger.