Radar flag

Durf · Post by **Durf** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:17 am

This flag would be for maps that dont have a radar(example gnurdux.homelinux.net:5174, my maze map), this flag would give you that extra edge. not very creative, but its a super flag on those maps.

Red Cobra · Post by **Red Cobra** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:53 am

Interesting. I like it. But there arent many maps out there nowadays that don't have maps. Except for the one you mentioned and Hide and Seek Hills.

the_j0k3r · Post by **the_j0k3r** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 6:30 am

as far as flags go, its a good idea, but in my opinion its just not worth it to add a flag that gives you the radar because non-radar maps just arent popular enough.
its making a flag that applies to about 20 of the 210 servers that are in the list, about 3 of which are used

CannonBallGuy · Post by **CannonBallGuy** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:18 pm

I don't think "How many different servers it will work on" is important, more, would it be useful on those servers? If so, and a dev wants to commit (a relatively short amount of) time to creating it, then it could just happen.

Post by **L4m3r** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:19 pm

This isn't quite as simple as it sounds.

"No radar" is done by setting the radar limit to zero. there is no "option" to add radar for the server, so there's not really a way to disable the flag (as with the jumping and ricochet flags).

it would require an implementation change, basically the addition of an option to enable or disable the radar for the server.

ducktape · Post by **ducktape** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:48 pm

I think that the Idea for some of those maps is to not have Radar at all. so wouldnt the kinnda defeat the point?

A Vicious Muffin · Post by **A Vicious Muffin** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:48 am

ducktape wrote:I think that the Idea for some of those maps is to not have Radar at all. so wouldnt the kinnda defeat the point?

Yes, it would.

Even if this flag were to give an advantage on these maps, it would be way to high of one. Skilled players would lurk in-between the shadows of hide-and-seek-hills, and hardly would ever be found. Or on maze maps, it would be easy to complete the maze, and even easier to kill unsuspecting tanks. I do not like this idea.

meeba · Post by **meeba** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:00 am

ducktape wrote:I think that the Idea for some of those maps is to not have Radar at all. so wouldnt the kinnda defeat the point?

It depends. You could say the same thing about the Jumping (JP) flag. Sure, it seems useless to most of us, but it could come in quite useful on some servers.

Post by **blast** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:26 am

Don't you think that a flag that gave people radar on a no-radar server would be way too powerful? Without a radar, you'd be at a huge disadvantage.

meeba · Post by **meeba** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:47 am

blast wrote:Don't you think that a flag that gave people radar on a no-radar server would be way too powerful? Without a radar, you'd be at a huge disadvantage.

Possibly, but you could limit the radar.

Grace F · Post by **Grace F** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:18 am

TangenT wrote:
blast wrote:Don't you think that a flag that gave people radar on a no-radar server would be way too powerful? Without a radar, you'd be at a huge disadvantage.
Possibly, but you could limit the radar.

If there were to be a 'Radar Flag' it would have to be limited otherwise it would just be too overpowering.

Perhaps limit the radar to only see objects and not players?

CannonBallGuy · Post by **CannonBallGuy** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:04 pm

All depends on the server, map, settings, etc, as with every other flag.

RexFlex · Post by **RexFlex** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:36 am

TangenT wrote:
blast wrote:Don't you think that a flag that gave people radar on a no-radar server would be way too powerful? Without a radar, you'd be at a huge disadvantage.
Possibly, but you could limit the radar.

There is a point. I would say the conditions would tend to require a shot limit to the flag if nothing else. Even then, many may argue that say shot limiting it to 5 essentially is the same as giving the holder 5 free kills.

There was a wings flag focused server (can't remember the name) I tried not long ago where basically the ground level was infrequently used but had lasers for the land lubbers and what seemed to be just one cloak flag. Without radar there were people who were suggesting the cloak made you invincible. I demonstrated that it was possible to get the cloaker if you looked out for their shooting, but even so, it can be very hard to hunter a cloaker without radar, but with a radar flag it would get much easier.

On the balance of things, I'm not against this idea. But I could understand that the limited usage would leave developers disinterested in providing it, and you do have to take into account balancing issues.

dartman · Post by **dartman** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:38 am

I'm with the people say it's too powerful. Maybe it would be better if it significantly limited your radar's range.

Saber · Post by **Saber** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:22 am

It would be powerful but you could say the same thing about the Ricochet flag. I think it should be added.

Grace F · Post by **Grace F** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:35 am

I'd like to see a Radar Flag BUT like it was said by many earlier is HAS to be limited.

In an earlier post I wrote:Perhaps limit the radar to only see objects and not players?

I still stand by that.

Teppic · Post by **Teppic** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:38 pm

A Vicious Muffin wrote:
ducktape wrote:I think that the Idea for some of those maps is to not have Radar at all. so wouldnt the kinnda defeat the point?
Yes, it would.

Even if this flag were to give an advantage on these maps, it would be way to high of one. Skilled players would lurk in-between the shadows of hide-and-seek-hills, and hardly would ever be found. Or on maze maps, it would be easy to complete the maze, and even easier to kill unsuspecting tanks. I do not like this idea.

I could be set up as if a bad flag, so it times out.
Actually I'd like to see an optional time limit on good flags, stop that guy sitting up there and camping for 20 minutes and only letting off 5 GM's.