While we are at it: Teleport Flag

[Skeeve]

Hi!

I already discussed this some time ago with Jeff in IRC. He didn't seem too reluctant to the idea.

Now I ask you how you like it and how it should work. My first idea was this:

1. You get the flag.
2. If you "lock" on someone you set you "home position"
   1. where you are now
   2. or where he is
3. The home position is shown (somehow) so others know where it is (to wait for you to shoot you)
4. If you jump the next time, you fly up to the highest point, disappear and reappear at the "home position"
5. the flag automatically drops after that

Another option instead of setting the "home position" could be dropping the flag. This means you have to drop it 2 times to really drop it.

What do you think?

[JeffM]

what? that has to be the most complex flag system I've heard of.

base rule of the game.. SIMPLE.

there will not be any flags that have on drop actions ( per Tim ). It's also not a good idea to require another feature ( like jumping ) as part of your base mechanic.

[Skeeve]

what? that has to be the most complex flag system I've heard of.

But we talked about it.

there will not be any flags that have on drop actions ( per Tim ).

Okay... Who am I to argue with Mr. Riker himself. There's still the idea to use looking/locking for this.

It's also not a good idea to require another feature ( like jumping ) as part of your base mechanic.

So what about Wings? If you want to fly you have to jump. I see no difference here.

It's used like GM & Wings: Locking/looking will set the target point. Jumping will take you there.

[JeffM]

I do not recall discussing that exact flag. You may have talked about it, but that dosn't mean I listened or agreed, or was even there.

it sounds like the teleporter from Subspace. A feature I like in subspace, and maybe some other future game that is not bzflag, but it has no place in bzflag.

Wings is one of the flags that is most usefull with jumping on, yes. It is also one of the least thought out flags, and the flag with the most problems and complaints. Techincaly you could use wings when you fall, so it has limited use on non jump servers.

Yours REQUIRES jump to even do anything. It's also just WAY too complex to use. It requires far to many steps, that we don't have a good way to train people to use. Flags are ether always on, or affect a shot, we do not have any that have requirements for activation. GM's lockon is an aditional advantage of it, but it still modifies shots. PZ may be the only exception, as it only works when teleported, and it is one of the stupidest flags in my opionion.

[Skeeve]

I do not recall discussing that exact flag. You may have talked about it, but that dosn't mean I listened or agreed, or was even there.

You listened and you talked:

A teleport flag

that does what?

If you Right click (look at someone) you automatically set your home position

If you later jump, you get teleported back

That works just once

I'd do that as a one shot too

not a flag

your overriding too many default behavors

What does that mean? One Shot?

like a temporary power up

tied to another key

you can have one, when you fire it, you use it up

Right clicking with GM is also changing the default behaviour.

not it's actualy 2 behavors tied to the same key

the jump is the big thing

So that can be used for the teleport too

i don't see any need for new flags

basicly your preventing peopel from jumping

There is never a *need* for any new flag

so on a no jump server there is no penalty for the flag

I think there are too many flags

there's a huge variety of gameplay there already that isn't being taken advantage of because noone is creative with their configuration

Yes, jeff. They can't jump, because they teleport then

and on a non jump server?

And yes: No penalty on no-jump servers

it's less munchkiny then the other one, but still sounds rather complex

but it's the same with the jumping flag on no-jump servers

You can jump while others can't

And where is the penalty in that?

yeah but that takes up your flag slot

So does it when it's a flag

like I say it's better then the other one

like I proposed

it's just a little hard to explain

GM is hard to explain too

somewhat

tho eveyrone understands missiles

At least if I think of all the newbies I saw the last fewdays

with your flag, I'd want the tank to drop a marker that is visible

if another tank runs over it, you die when you port back

So that people can wait there for you to appear

yeah it's a risk

Good idea

cus basicly your describing the porters from UT and subspace

I know neither of those

well they work similar to what you described

often used for geting back to CTF bases fast

If I only knew more about bzflag, I'd try to make a patch for it

so good plan before a cap is to blast a redemer over the base to kill any transponders

But to cut it short: If no one implements it, (I can't) there is no risk of seeing this flag. So we can forget about it...

[JeffM]

dude, I was talking about open combat and UT there, not bzflag.

and as you'll see, there I said it was also "overly complex" and "your overriding too many default behavors", those would be me being reluctant to the idea in bzflag. The rest is me talking about the feature in other games.

[Skeeve]

Sorry for misunderstanding you

[the_j0k3r]

what about a simple teleport flag, that shoots like thief, and when you hit someone you swap positions with them. could be very useful for quick entry into an opponents base, or to get you out of trouble.

[GMMan]

It does sound complicated... Anyways, I would concider that more like cheating: going out, going back in. It might be better to randomly be placed at spawn spots. Anyways, the server or client or whatever doesn't know sometimes if you're going to jump to somewhere, not escape.

[ducktape]

Wel... i think it sounds kool but I dont know if it can be done or not.
/me is not that smart

[dartman]

what about a simple teleport flag, that shoots like thief, and when you hit someone you swap positions with them. could be very useful for quick entry into an opponents base, or to get you out of trouble.

No, that actually sounds like it would just be annoying for everyone else. Just imagine: your driving along, when you suddenly swap positions with someone else. Not fun.

[A Vicious Muffin]

I'll say. Especially when a teammate would try and do that. I hate when they steal my flag, switching places with them? Not going to happen.