Camping should be endorsed

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Camping should be endorsed

Post by WorldOfTanks23 » Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:59 pm

I've noticed that a lot of maps don't allow camping anymore, which I find very sad. I think camping should be endorsed, not hindered. It leads to comic situations such as people teaming up to kill the camper and such. I had that happen to me years ago and they all started fighting amongst themselves because not everyone got the message. Very funny.

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Post by joevano » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:13 pm

Where are you playing at? I really don't know of anywhere that doesn't allow people to camp. Sure people complain about camping, but it is a players job to kill the camper.
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Post by optic delusion » Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:35 pm

Camping is fully endorsed at Planet MoFo, we've created spots in the corners where it's great to camp with laser or GM, and there are 13 seperate oscillation overthruster camping spots. People like to camp on the center cake wih shockwave and GM. You can camp with stealth if you're good.
There's really nowhere to hide though, you're always vulnerable. All of the non-camping weapons have their settings turned up.
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Post by lep » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:38 pm

I dont think i know one single map that disallows camping completely. I think its BZTank that doesnt want excessive camping. Anyway, most maps these days are made for camping and ive yet to see one without it...

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Post by WorldOfTanks23 » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:12 pm

Camping is hindered by shot limits, wings and map topography. Planet Mofo had a nice map mod where you could easily jump on the roof in the corners and use a Laser to kill off anyone and defend your position easily. That was fun. They changed it a couple of weeks later so you couldn't jump on the roof as easily (I don't know how to get up there now) and made roof very high in two of the four corners.

In many other maps the shot limits are the culprit. Oh and I despise wings, they shouldn't have been included in the game in the first place. No maps should use the Wing superflag.

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Post by joevano » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:23 pm

So you are complaining.. and yes you are complaining, because maps have shot limits? That is not to stop camping. That is a feature to help make the map more playable. What you are asking for is dead servers. With unlimited shots some of the maps become unplayable and one player can drive everyone away. Where is the good in that for the server owner or the players. Good map design is a balance. The map must be challenging for all players. Campers can camp and use their bullets wisely, that is part of the game.
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Post by Bambino » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:37 pm

I really suggest you make a map to your liking and get it hosted. You can always go onto Missile War 2.3, sit on the wall and camp to your hearts content.
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Post by blast » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:40 pm

The Wings flag in 2.99.x (which will become 3.0.0) behaves a bit differently, so you might not mind it as much. In 2.0.x, when you jump while in the air, it instantly rockets you upward at the jump speed. But in 3.0.0, it will instead add the jump velocity to your current vertical velocity (capped at the jump velocity so you can't accelerate out of control), which will mean that people can no longer jump off a 500 unit building and then hit jump just before landing to avoid a bullet on the ground.
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Post by Bambino » Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:49 pm

LittleLep wrote:I think its BZTank that doesnt want excessive camping.
Really? The Two Tanks, laser sniping = camping, Castle Warfare GM camping in 3 levels, laser camping in the top level? I think camping is fully allowed. They just don't like spawn killing & spawn camping.
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Post by lep » Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:06 am

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You have corrected me, thanks. I can picture the -srvmsg when joining the server saying something about camping. Your right. It is spawn camping

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Post by adameros » Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:24 pm

When I'm playing defensively, like protecting the base, I camp all the time. I wish I could convince one or two other people to camp with me, so we could get some good crossing lines of fire.

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Post by Agent West » Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:10 pm

camping (other then spawn camping) IS a defence strategy, just like adameros said above. so personally, i do not see anything bad about it.
however, it is different (not in a good way) when a player sits somewhere on base with SW and hits the fire button every time someone spawns there. that is just not fair because other team will never get a chance to kill the camper.
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