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Assclowns and Warez Kiddies

Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2003 2:46 pm
by JeffM
THere has been some downtime for the board, and it's been a bit slow.

Found out why.

Someone had goten into an ftp account and was using the server to hold warez ( german warez too, wonder what pathetic dickweed that could be ). They were sucking up all the bandwith. The situation has been fixed as of now. But that means no more FTP.

If anyone wants the logs to help me find this bastard, please let me know ( tho I'm sure it's cell ).

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2003 8:20 am
by Dervish
Cell, spoogebob... same people, different people, who knows? My guess is that it's the same person.

It was starting to slow down again after I made a post saying it was speeding up. I was reserved about mentioning the board's lag again in fear of getting "textually" flogged. :lol: Any ways, yes I got on the board tonight and everything is super fast! YEEEAH!

You're the man, Patlabor. :)


Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2003 11:42 am
by Guest
ouch.......hope you have looked around for any leftover crons.......a smart hacker would have left another way in......ok....maybe they are not that smart....ahhahah

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2003 3:20 pm
by JeffM
They didn't actualy get shell access so they didn't actulay start any processes, just transferd files.

shell game

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2003 3:38 pm
by Guest
you must have very nice partitions........buddy in NC had his home machine become a primary porn server.........he closed the connection, only to have it opened the following weekend......but that was before i made him completely paranoid................i think he is running one hardware fw, one software, with a spare machine in between.......running another firewall.........i guess he po'ed the porn hacker........the hacker took his email address and started sending spam using his addres the return address..............he started getting all these parents telling him they are going to sue him because he is sending porn to their kids..........poor guy had to change isps and drop an email address he had for years......people s**k

Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2003 4:02 pm
by JeffM
ahh well this is just a web server, not a personal machine. and I killed the transfer account they were using, and am watching the logs. I have all there IPs that were using it. so there are some things I can do. I run the FTP clients in there own little chroot cell, so they can only realy get to there home dir.

Tho I probably will pull anon CVS serverices on the machine since that is part of the reason they got thru.

Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2003 6:08 am
by Dervish
One firewall (hardware or software) is more than sufficient to do its job. How it is configured is what makes the difference between a secure firewall and a not-so-secure one. Throwing more than one firewall at any situation isn't going to help. Apparently your friend didn't know this and was just paranoid. :)

ok lets try this again

Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2003 12:19 pm
by Guest
.......oy.....i posted, but the posting.php hung on my machine at home.......oh well.....

basically, i agree with dukot, except that the hardware firewall is nice to keep the denial atk down without eating server cpu, and software is nice because it can "manage" any open accesses.....but hey......we are all not as paranoid as me, so to each his own :D

on the side......dukot, smile its friday and turkey has a new map...... haha

Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2003 12:39 pm
by Spaceman Spiff
Just curious.... what is Cell's problem?? I heard something about him distributing cheats once... but I think that's about it. Is there some sort of dramatic soap opera saga behind this? :wink:

Thank God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've been waiting for a new Turkey map for years... err.. well.. maybe it just seems like years when you have such an incomplete map for so long. ;)

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2003 12:00 am
by Dervish
Well, I'm not certain it's the same person once known as Cell (aka: Perfect Cell), but I think someone mention his name or knows it was him.

All too familiar story: teenage or 20-something hacker learns some networking and hacking intricacies, uses that knowledge to exploit or crack something, and eventually either gets caught and criminally charged or becomes a security consultant and hacks in his/her spare time.

A hacker becomes a cracker when they blur or break that line between right and wrong (hacking to cause damage or hinder a service). It takes restraint or a good set of morals to keep knowledge and skills under tight control.

Who knows why? I'm sure this plummets into the humorous side of things when we start to guess. Was the hacker picked on in school? Never fit in with any popular crowd? Never had guidance in life? Never had a functional family? Never knew God? Who knows? I'm sure it could be a number of reasons as well.

The only important things are to protect the community, move on, and don't dwell on the subject. Feeling sorry for the hacker/cracker is optional. ;)

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2003 2:23 am
by JeffM
Actualy he's like 25, and just lives at home in his parents basement. For some reason he just loves to give people crap. I'ts funny I think it's like bipolar or something.

I don't think he is a real "hacker" ether, the reason they go in was due to the fact that I didn't see to a relaionsioship between 2 spererate services on the machine.

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2003 3:16 am
by Fiberchunks
To add my .02 to the fray:

Please refer to anyone who maliciously (whether anything is busted, removed, deleted, etc), as a 'cracker'.

Hackers are those people who use their brains in a creative fashion (whether we're talking about the MIT 'hackers' club -- guys who play pranks on the staff and what not that almost never involve computers, to guys who are true hackers in the computer sense (ala Richard Stallman is a king hacker, so is Linus Torvalds, etc)).

True Hackers are not those people who maliciously break into peoples (corporations) networks and / or personal machines for gain, bragging rights, or any other retarded reason. Those clowns are classified as crackers. Crackers usually are also mundane little script kiddies, who don't invent their own tools, but rather wreak havoc by downloading some retarded script from the web, and without any formal knowledge of what it does and why, use it to their own benefit. Their brains are small, and most likely their penii as well -- thus their intense drive to prove that they are 'l337'.

Please, don't tarnish the true Hacker by associating them with crackers. The two are mutually exclusive, and of entirely different mindsets.


Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2003 7:52 pm
by Dervish
Good point, fiber. :)

I know the difference (see my previous post), but I often interchange the two when talking about a cracker. I don't want to tarnish the name hacker, so forgive my use of it in place of cracker. :)

Posted: Thu May 22, 2003 7:48 pm
by purple_cow
I doubt it was cell, or even anyone associated with bzflag. Warez kiddies spend a lot of their time scanning for open ftp servers to dump on, so its probably just a coincidence that they happened to be german.