Seasonal Ladder - Please Vote!

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Would you like to see a seasonal ladder implemented?

Poll ended at Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:24 pm

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No
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Seasonal Ladder - Please Vote!

Post by ducati_council » Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:24 pm

There have been many excellent suggestions. One in particular has had a lot of support, so we'd like to get a more wide-spread idea of what players think. Mistake proposed a seasonal ladder, which would mean the following:

1. A ladder which is reset each "season", showing a team's ranking based on a point distribution (e.g., 4 points for a win, 2 for a tie, and 1 for a loss).

2. A cumulative ladder, taking into account all previous seasons. The cumulative ladder would not be reset.

3. ELO would still be listed and (for the moment) would remain unchanged.

Essentially, we would be ADDING a seasonal ladder to the existing system. Please let us know whether you would like the council to consider adding a seasonal ladder.

Edit: There is now a demo of a Seasonal Ladder.

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Post by CannonBallGuy » Sat Jun 03, 2006 6:38 pm

Yes. I would suggest 4 seasons of 3 months each, per year. Or perhaps 3 seasons, 4 months each.
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Post by tokimi » Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:47 pm

I personally like the idea of 4 seasons a year, 2-2.5 months each. With a break between each season.
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Post by goblin » Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:54 pm

CannonBallGuy wrote:Yes. I would suggest 4 seasons of 3 months each, per year. Or perhaps 3 seasons, 4 months each.
I don't think that it should sum up to a full year (12 months) - Summer holydays and christmas shopping is time consuming.

I'd prefer 2 seasons a year; August through November, and February through May.
June and July could be used for a trining league, a "summer cup" or something else that's different from the classic league.

I think people would be worn out with 4 seasons a year, and they barely start before they are over.
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Post by CannonBallGuy » Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:59 pm

But as it is now, with every other league, there are no seasons. Everything is continuous.
We could have 3 seasons, 3 months each with 1 month break between each one, no?
I thought the important point was that the scores would be reset - I didn't think that "other real life commitments" or "I need a break after so much bz" was the problem.
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Post by goblin » Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:06 pm

CannonBallGuy wrote:But as it is now, with every other league, there are no seasons. Everything is continuous.
We could have 3 seasons, 3 months each with 1 month break between each one, no?
I thought the important point was that the scores would be reset - I didn't think that "other real life commitments" or "I need a break after so much bz" was the problem.
The important point probably was/is resetting scores. I just think that resetting scores "all the time" can be demotivating, and that too high a "pulse" in seasons would make people in general not care about the specific season, since the next season starts in "a few moments".
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Post by CannonBallGuy » Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:18 pm

Won't shorter seasons promote more activity as teams try to get as many points as possible, as quickly as possible?
"This season is over in a month, lets match as much as we can!!" ??
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Post by mistake » Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:08 am

For the season length, there are the following points to consider:
  • If a season length is short, a team can play a couple of seasons very actively and thus gain a high end position, even if it is inactive for all the other seasons
  • If a season is long it will have the participation of more teams.
    Generally a longer season will have a better end score which more accurately represents the performance of each team.
    But those teams that are very good but cannot play a lot during the whole stretch of season time will not have a chance to end with a high position.
Summary: for those teams that can only have a high activity during shorter stretches of time will benefit from short season. Teams that can play on a constant activity level during longer stretches of time will benefit from longer seasons.

edit But personally I see no problems to have different length of seasons depending on the time of year and expected participation.
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Post by wizard » Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:09 am

CBG, In the 1vs1 league that seams to be the case only for very few players. In the beginning we had 4-5 players trying to win the monthly ladder. Now after a few iterations we rarely have 2.

Maybe we should start with shorter seasons and increase the time when the interest drops.

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Post by tokimi » Sun Jun 04, 2006 1:28 am

mistake wrote: edit But personally I see no problems to have different length of seasons depending on the time of year and expected participation.
I agree, no need to limit our selves to permanent season lenghts.

As for activity, we also have to consider breaks between seasons. As
players may get bored after a hard push towards the end of the previous
season. But this poll is only for the concept of a seasonal league to be
affirmed, we can deal with details later I am sure.
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Post by MonsterMan++ » Sun Jun 04, 2006 3:34 am

I think a ladder would make people more competitive when they play it.
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Post by CannonBallGuy » Sun Jun 04, 2006 9:05 am

Some good ideas above - It hadn't even occurred to vary the season lengths to me.
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Post by AlexanderTheGreat » Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:35 am

hmmm....i get the point in shorter seasons encouraging play maybe...

but i am leaning toward 2 seasons per year with no break in between.

so if there is no concensus, experimenting with different lengths is is all good.

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Post by sussi » Wed Jun 07, 2006 2:57 pm

i voted Yes for a sesonal ladder, but now i think a regular tournament does the same job better. We have a winner a second and a 3. team.

It's short, its tells the same (who is the best for the given season) and it pushes teams more to activity. I suggest a winter and a spring tornament for every year. Build 2 groups, the higher scored and the lower scored groups, draw by lots.

If 2 teams in a given period (might 2 weeks) dont play, the other is in the next rund. Only teams which announce not to participate for the present tournamet are not set. All other teams are set for the first lap.

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