What is an un-even team?

Peter · Post by **Peter** » Sat May 19, 2007 10:29 pm

I have heard many different ways as to what is an uneven team , I think that you should only capture the flag if the teams are above 5 and within on player of difference , anything else and I kick or 5-10 minuit ban. What do you think?

CannonBallGuy · Post by **CannonBallGuy** » Sat May 19, 2007 10:29 pm

So, 4vs4 is "uneven"?

Peter · Post by **Peter** » Sat May 19, 2007 10:43 pm

No , sorry , I should have explaind clearer....

3 vs 4 = not even
4 vs 5 = not even
6 vs 7 = even
5 vs 5 = even
4 vs 4 = even
7 vs 9 = not even

....thats in my opinion

CannonBallGuy · Post by **CannonBallGuy** » Sat May 19, 2007 10:58 pm

What about 100 vs 102 ?

Peter · Post by **Peter** » Sat May 19, 2007 11:01 pm

Well in that very unlikely event then still uneven

dango · Post by **dango** » Sat May 19, 2007 11:06 pm

As long as it makes a significant effect on gameplay it is uneven. 7vs9 makes little to no effect on gameplay. neither do 4vs5 or 3vs4. 2vs1 does, and so does 2vs7. You need to use something called "common sense" to figure this out. "Common sense" is not that hard to come by.

An uneven team is a team with an odd amount of players on it. duh

additional note: 100vs102, however unlikely, would have little to ABSOLUTLY NO effect on gameplay compared to teams with the same amount of players.

CannonBallGuy · Post by **CannonBallGuy** » Sat May 19, 2007 11:09 pm

Why not just state that "Team A" may have no more than 120% of "Team B".
If this 120% is exceeded, the teams are declared uneven.

Hell, better yet, just use the fairCTF plugin...

Peter · Post by **Peter** » Sun May 20, 2007 12:26 am

Good idea CBG

As for me1 saying that I should get common sense , this is just an insult and bares no contributment to the BZFlag community , what-so-ever.

A Meteorite · Post by **A Meteorite** » Sun May 20, 2007 1:25 am

PETER wrote:As for me1 saying that I should get common sense , this is just an insult and bares no contributment to the BZFlag community , what-so-ever.

Wait, what?

me1 wrote:You need to use something called "common sense" to figure this out. "Common sense" is not that hard to come by.

He just said that you need to use common sense and stating that it is not hard to get. He never said you didn't have any and should get some.

Anyways, fairCTF's default options accomplish what a good majority would consider even or uneven. There is also other topics with very pertinent information.

Peter · Post by **Peter** » Sun May 20, 2007 1:33 am

He implyed it , I am not being `paranoid` , this is just plain obvious. Any way, Where can I get a fair ctf plug-in?

A Meteorite · Post by **A Meteorite** » Sun May 20, 2007 1:39 am

PETER wrote:He implyed it

Implication means nothing. Oh, yeah, it's spelt "implied."

PETER wrote:I am not being `paranoid`

Never said you were being paranoid.

PETER wrote:Any way, Where can I get a fair ctf plug-in?

It's called the search button at the top of every page on the BZBB.

Grace F · Post by **Grace F** » Sun May 20, 2007 1:45 am

PETER wrote:Where can I get a fair ctf plug-in?

Right below.

I don't know which you wanted so I gave you FairCTF for Linux and Win32 aswell as source. I dont know what source is so if anyone could tell me that'd be great!

Fairness or equality can depends on more than simple numbers. Skill and teamwork come into it aswell. Things a plug-in can't really help with.

A Meteorite · Post by **A Meteorite** » Sun May 20, 2007 1:49 am

Grace F wrote:Fairness or equality can depends on more than simple numbers. Skill and teamwork come into it aswell. Things a plug-in can't really help with.

One could develop a mathematical algorithm to measure a team's skill (something as simple as strength index would do the job) and require that they're, let's say, within 10% of each other.

Peter · Post by **Peter** » Sun May 20, 2007 1:55 am

WOW , thanks grace.

A met:....

#1 Just because I have written somthing dosnt mean I said it was in the last post

#2 Why dont you try answering question is a nice way...
It's called the search button at the top of every page on the BZBB.~~becomes~~ You can find that by using the search button at the top of every page.

Grace F · Post by **Grace F** » Sun May 20, 2007 2:06 am

A Meteorite wrote:
Grace F wrote:Fairness or equality can depends on more than simple numbers. Skill and teamwork come into it aswell. Things a plug-in can't really help with.
One could develop a mathematical algorithm to measure a team's skill (something as simple as strength index would do the job) and require that they're, let's say, within 10% of each other.

What about the skill of every individual player?

PETER wrote:WOW , thanks grace.

Anytime bud

A Meteorite · Post by **A Meteorite** » Sun May 20, 2007 2:40 am

PETER wrote:#1 Just because I have written somthing dosnt mean I said it was in the last post

What you said was not applicable to any post in this thread.

PETER wrote:#2 Why dont you try answering question is a nice way...
It's called the search button at the top of every page on the BZBB.~~becomes~~ You can find that by using the search button at the top of every page.

Why? Is what I said not saying the same thing as what you said?

Grace F wrote:What about the skill of every individual player?

Well, in CTF, the collective skill of the team is what really matters. Sure, you could measure each person's skill than compare all of the team players, but that seems kinda pointless.

Grace F · Post by **Grace F** » Sun May 20, 2007 2:47 am

Fair enough. Teams though are very rarely ever fair

If you believe in the supernatural, Karma plays apart in things aswell

Peter · Post by **Peter** » Sun May 20, 2007 2:50 am

#1 I was saying somthing seperate , you know the idea.....not just repeating someone else?.......well that's what I was doing

#2 , Yes , yes it is , exept the way I said it people might not get annoyed.

CannonBallGuy · Post by **CannonBallGuy** » Sun May 20, 2007 11:42 am

Grace F wrote:I dont know what source is so if anyone could tell me that'd be great!

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=define ... rce%20code

Grace F · Post by **Grace F** » Sun May 20, 2007 12:09 pm

Thats confusing CannonBallGuy

From what I could gather from those many many definitions of source code is that it's code that tells a complier what a program should look like once its been compiled to a binary.

...

Hope im right. Either way I'll keep reading.

Thx CBG

dango · Post by **dango** » Sun May 20, 2007 1:42 pm

Grace F
Yup. That is correct.

PETER
Please stop continuing fights. I am sorry if it seems that I offended you. I meant no offense by what I said in my previous post.

Peter · Post by **Peter** » Sun May 20, 2007 2:48 pm

I was not continuing or creating arguments ,maby it was a misunderstanding I dont know, anyway I am starting a server (YES FINALY!

) and I was wondering how to incorparate the plugin into my maps?

CannonBallGuy · Post by **CannonBallGuy** » Sun May 20, 2007 2:53 pm

The source code _is_ the program, before it is compiled.
To make bzflag, people have written source code, some "C", some "C++"...
Take all of this code, which is in many files and you have the "BZFlag Source".
Only once it is compiled do you have a "Binary" a.k.a an Application or Program.

ducktape · Post by **ducktape** » Sun May 20, 2007 3:51 pm

I think it depends on the players like 2vs5 could be completely fair if it was say Slayer++ with dw vs5 ok players like me, Peter, Benfish and such

meeba · Post by **meeba** » Sun May 20, 2007 5:00 pm

A Meteorite wrote:
PETER wrote:#1 Just because I have written somthing dosnt mean I said it was in the last post
What you said was not applicable to any post in this thread.

PETER wrote:#2 Why dont you try answering question is a nice way...
It's called the search button at the top of every page on the BZBB.~~becomes~~ You can find that by using the search button at the top of every page.
Why? Is what I said not saying the same thing as what you said?

Grace F wrote:What about the skill of every individual player?
Well, in CTF, the collective skill of the team is what really matters. Sure, you could measure each person's skill than compare all of the team players, but that seems kinda pointless.

True, met. I know that I sometimes have a TERRIBLE score, but yet I'm awesome at capping.