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Ban without F12

Post by mike_o » Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:50 pm

I'm sometimes accused of f12 abuse and have been short banned a couple of times. Yet I have never (!) used F12 to rapidly exit the game. On occasions, I have left the game (normally) when things were getting ugly, but never with F12. So what is this all about?

Is there an unwritten policy saying when you can leave the game and when not?

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Re: Ban without F12

Post by blast » Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:53 pm

I'm assuming you are talking about Planet Mofo. If so, the issue is a just a custom plugin on a single server. The game provides no way to know how someone exited the game, so the plugin they are running just makes decisions based on extremely limited/vague information. My suggestion would be to play on a different server or complain about the plugin to the server owner (Optic Delusion).
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Re: Ban without F12

Post by optic delusion » Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:51 pm

It's a custom plugin that detects when players leave quickly to avoid getting hit by genocide. It can detect F12, and it also detects players quickly leaving by the normal method. I don't want to get into details as to exactly how it works, but false positives are pretty darn rare. They do happen but they are rare. I have tested it myself on multiple occasions.
I am sorry if you got caught in a mosh, but I suggest you just ride out the short ban. This is better than everybody easily avoiding geno all the time.
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Re: Ban without F12

Post by Bullet Catcher » Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:07 pm

Pressing the F12 key is just a shortcut for navigating through the menu and selecting Quit. In both cases the BZFlag client sends an orderly "I am leaving" message to the server before disconnecting, so the server can't really tell which method was used.

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Re: Ban without F12

Post by mike_o » Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:56 am

Optic and Bullet,

thank you. I probably leave too fast sometimes. Dare I ask you to define "quickly leaving by the normal method"?

Since I normally stay on when I'm are doing good, and tend to leave the game, when it's not going my way anymore, it'd be nice to know just how much notice I should give the game :wink:

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Re: Ban without F12

Post by optic delusion » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:12 pm

I do not want to give details about exactly how it works because players will game the system. We run more than 20 plugins, and this is not the only one we keep secret. Most of them are available to all.
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Re: Ban without F12

Post by blast » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:52 pm

The plugin would likely only trigger if you leave while alive, so if you only quit while dead you'd probably be safe.
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Re: Ban without F12

Post by Soft » Wed Oct 07, 2015 9:54 am

Got the same today, accidentally closed the client, when trying to rejoin was short banned :.-)
How long am I banned ?

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Re: Ban without F12

Post by mike_o » Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:49 am

Optic Delusion wrote:I do not want to give details about exactly how it works because players will game the system. We run more than 20 plugins, and this is not the only one we keep secret. Most of them are available to all.
So basically we cannot be informed about the details of the log-out boundary, but we are fried when we pass the invisible line? This is really not OK.

Why not set up clear rules for when it's OK to leave the game and when it's not? How will players "game" that?? Or just add a well specified delay for leaving the game. Like when pausing. How can that be different?

And while you're at it, please respond to Soft's question above. It's all becoming a bit too "big brotherly"...

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Re: Ban without F12

Post by rye » Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:35 pm

seems that whammo f12 ban is 5 hrs.

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Re: Ban without F12

Post by mike_o » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:03 pm

Just got F12 banned again. This time the last opponent had just left the server, and three players (me including) waited for someone to join. When that didn't happen, I extited (the normal way) and tried re-joining on the opposite team. Immediately banned for "F12 abuse".

What BS is this??

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Re: Ban without F12

Post by optic delusion » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:31 pm

Very sorry about your mistaken ban. However,
I say it over and over, If you plan on instantly rejoining, wait until you are dead before leaving, and this will never happen.
The alternative is people constantly F12'ing to avoid geno which is far worse than the occasional misfire, meaning we have to take the lesser of two evils.
And it really is quite rare that it mistakenly hits you. I rejoin to keep teams fair all the time, and I am not immune, and it's banned me exactly once in my entire history.

Also, it keeps a list, and now you are on that list. Be extra careful until after awhile the list clears itself.
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Re: Ban without F12

Post by kierra » Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:01 pm

In a nutshell: If you plan on instantly rejoining to balance teams, etc, wait until you are dead before leaving, and that should avoid you being whammo'd.
That may entail you self-killing or allowing yourself to be killed.
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Re: Ban without F12

Post by mike_o » Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:16 pm

I've felt for a long time that I'm on a (black) list. Now it's confirmed and official :p

I also feel that that - after a certain point of success - I keep getting all the crappy flags. But I'm sure that´s only my imagination....?

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Re: Ban without F12

Post by kierra » Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:24 pm

You're not on any blacklist that I know of, mike_o :)
Just DIE before leaving the server to balance. Can't say this enough, dearie
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